LOVING YOU © 2008 Demo by Susan Elsa

In 2008, after Susan Elsa has returned freshly from Los Angeles, she wrote this Song in private. It was in 2008 and early 2009 on ReverbNation and very liked by the Audience.
Then it was removed, due to personal reasons (Michael´s Passing).

In 2014, it seems the timing is ripe to re-upload this special Demo for people to freely listen and get the Message, if they listen close enough.

Special Secret Mystery Hint/Message from Susan & Michael

Identical Mirror of Michael Jackson: Susan Elsa (Twin Soul Marks Physical!) ©

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Clear Twin Soul Mirroring Marks on the Body & Face ©
Insight into historic Case of Twin Souls- researched by Science and more to be revealed in time. Originally, this was pointed at by Michael himself in Los Angeles, when he was speaking in private with Susan in her House, and noticed that she has the same “mole” as he does on the cheek. This is a private detail and part of both´s medical and physical records and is published with original older Pictures of Michael (with less Make up yet for clear sight on the Mole)- for scientific, educational, research Purpose and with Michael´s direct Permission. Michael holds his Rights to his own Images and Works, and no one else. This is spiritual Law, he is not “gone”, he is right here.
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http://www.archangelmichael777.com

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A Real Michael Jackson Miracle for Egypt

Archangel Michael 777

Dear World

This article is coming directly out of my heart and soul. I have kept these things locked in my heart, for a while now. I am sure all of you have heard about all these beautiful ideas, that 2012 will not be and end, but a beginning of some sort. I never thought that I will heal enough to be able to talk about it, but even faster than I thought possible- I feel totally healed.

The last couple years have been the hardest I ever had to face. I could explain why in detail, but even if I got hacked and spied on and my copyright, my intellectual property and private stories stolen by people I don’t know and never wanted to work with- I am allowing NOBODY to force me into something I feel uncomfortable with or influence me to change my path and artistic plans.

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TRUE SIGNS OF TWIN SOULS / TWIN FLAMES

I can verify this List very much. Thank you so much for posting Isis Jade. Love & Light to you 777!

From Original Link:  http://www.isisjade.com/2011/signs-and-symptoms-of-a-twin-flame-or-twin-soul-experience/

This is a very excellent list of SIGNS of true Twin Souls to help the People out there understand a bit. I usually don’t like talking much and love to express myself in Music and Films, besides my Books.

Isis Jade:

• An overwhelming sense of love, affection and attraction that compels you beyond reason or sense.
• A sense of completion that goes beyond words, it’s impossible to explain why or how you feel so whole once you’ve met this person.
• A sense of honor, or integrity, or desire to share – but a reticence to burden or pressure the other with your experiences.
• A magnetism to the other stronger than anything you have ever experienced. In fact you feel it for this person long after he or she leaves your space.
• You find that your skills and knowledge perfectly complement one another.
• The ability to literally feel one another whether you are with them physically or not. You’ve had that feeling from the moment you’ve met, and maybe you made a psychic connection even before you met physically.
• A feeling you have to be in a certain place at a certain time, with no other reason, only to find  that person in these places and times.
• A feeling that you are so close you just might feel related – like a brother or a sister, but deeper than that level of relationship.
• A feeling you intimately know every detail about this person but you want to hear all about them.
• You love listening to each other’s stories.
• You want to find out everything you can about the other.
• You read between the lines and try to discover what they really mean or what they really desire and if you can fill that space for them.
• A beginning of a breakdown of your lives as you knew them upon finding one another.
• The power to touch the other and affect a response at any time without physical contact from any distance.
• Over the course of your life you may have dreams of a “mystery man/woman.” When you meet them, it’s not necessarily a physical similarity, although many report that, it’s the eyes, and the smile, or maybe the overall presence of that person that feels exactly like that person you dreamed about.
• Synchronicity will be abundant. You may find yourselves calling, emailing and texting one another at the exact same time. You may also find yourselves buying each other gifts at the same time or thinking about one another at the exact same time.
• You may feel your heart wanting to jump out of your chest at the sound of his or her voice, or the mention of his or her name or casual thought of his or her essence.
• The ability to feel each other’s emotions, whether they be happy or sad ones, from any distances.
• The ability to contact one another through meditation and share the same experiences together.
• An intense desire to ultimately be together no matter the obstacles blocking your way.
• The ability to dream of your partner in their current state and verify the accuracy of that dream, later.
• You may notice the ability to collapse time as you knew it. Upon your coming together, time and space both will cease to exist.
• When you and your partner are out and about, you may notice the eyes of everyone are upon you. Your deep connection for one another will shine so greatly, that it is not uncommon for the eyes of everyone to be upon the two of you.
• You may find yourselves completing each others sentences, sometimes even before you have the chance to begin them.
• You are stunned, sometimes blown away by their sheer presence that seems to constantly surround you.
• You never feel possessed, merely comforted by their presence. You feel instantly reassured that everything is right with the world as long as you can sense them.
• Upon connecting with your twin flame, you may find that you are practically mirror images of one another and that you may want to even run from your partner because of the things you see from the reflection of his/her eyes. You may push your twin away for a time, while you work to get comfortable with the experiences and feelings you feel near them.
• Sometimes you feel unable to communicate verbally, because you feel the relationship is so far along energetically. There is a gap between the energetic and the physical relationship.
• If you currently live apart, (even at great distances) you may notice the power to be intimate without ever physically touching the other or being on the phone together, and verify the experience later.
• You may notice that any of your bad habits, ie. smoking, drinking, or whatever they be, will deeply and adversely effect you. Even in your diet, food that you used to be able to eat, will have to be set aside. Sometimes you can’t eat, drink, or do what you used to do to bring yourself pleasure.
• A realization that this isn’t the first time the two of you have met… Past life experiences and memories start to flood you. You have dreams and experiences or flashbacks to lives or experiences filled with this person. Maybe you make the mistake of calling them by a name you once knew them by or they do that to you.
• If the both of you have similar interests, you may discover that you have been drawn to the same tastes or have been expressing similar frustrations long before your Twin Flame reunification. Sometimes you don’t realize you have the same interests until one of you introduces the other to a new interest or hobby.
• You’ll either have similar body challenges or reflective ones. You might be able to feel when the other is weakened, or ill, or hurting. It may also affect you physically.
• You find that your twin is the only one to alleviate you completely of your suffering,  your pain, or heal your emotional or spiritual ails fully.
• The individual twins become more as one, without losing their unique identities.
• There may be obstacles to overcome to be together, but there are no barriers between twin flames. The relationship is a totally open one, and evolves naturally and often rapidly.
• You almost always meet through unusual circumstances or situations that were totally unplanned and unexpected.
• The two of you know without doubt that you have been brought together for some deeper purpose.
• It feels as though you have been awakened since your reunion occurred.  You feel more alive than you’ve ever felt.
• You give to the other in ways to bring them joy, relief or nurture them and never think of receiving in return.  Giving is the nature of the twin flame relationship and you feel the rewards in your giving.
• You receive gifts from the other and never think it inappropriate or uncomfortable. In fact the gift is often something you’ve been lacking, in great need of or desiring for sometime but never voiced it before.
• There is a strong sense you will be together for all eternity… even when you pass on in this life.
• The relationship is immediate, as though no time had been lost since you were last together.
• There is a very sacred sense of intimacy and feeling of divinely inspired wholeness that one finds within a twin soul relationship. It is not by accident nor is it without purpose.
• You may still have karma with your twin from previous lives, but the two of you resolve it with total forgiveness and unconditional love.
• There is nothing hidden between the two of you.  You don’t hide secrets. You are truthful and respectful to one another.
• Your conversations seem to go on forever.  There is nothing you won’t discuss with your twin flame.
• Your twin seeks your guidance and advice, and likewise before they go anywhere else.
• There is no need to build walls or barriers between one another from pain or fear the other causes.  Your twin will treat you as someone sacred.
• However, if one half of the twin is not ready to access the relationship, or has been traumatized in some way, the other half senses that and may either demonstrate an unusual sense of sensitivity or protectiveness over that person.
• The two of you are inseparable.  No matter if there are distances between you physically there is no distance energetically for the twin souls.
• Even if you don’t speak for weeks or months, even years, there’s always an inevitable drawing that eventually brings you back in touch with your twin.
• Neither one of you are dependent on the other for your sense of self.  You know who you are with or without your twin flame in the physical.
• Your sexuality with one another is a sacred act that celebrates the unconditional love you have for one another. You feel a deep spiritual oneness with all that is.
• Trust, patience and acceptance of each other’s weaknesses happen automatically. You will never intentionally use that weakness against your twin in anger or hurt.
• There is a special sacredness to your relationship that transcends anything you’ve ever experienced before. You feel a deep sense of sacredness and unity  that you’ve have never known before.
• There are no restrictions within the relationship. All is freedom without the need for ownership or control.
• You will feel inspired to create and your twin flame inspires your creativity.
• You do not compete with one another nor do you pretend to be other than who you are.  You love each other for their individuality and uniqueness.  You understand that some things are better left to your twin’s strengths rather than competing
• You recognize there is a deeper spirituality that you manifest and find that you’ve become reconnected to the higher self.  You will gain knowledge of what your soul’s higher purpose is and will serve for that purpose.
• In spite of your similarities as well as your differences, there is no doubt you feel a sense of completion through the other.
• You will recognize you two are truly meant for one another.  You will know you are one with everything in the universe and beyond.

Michael Jackson: Personal Neverland Art-Clues

Picture for Educational and Research Purpose only.

Michael Jackson & Susan Elsa: Twin Souls Merging- PHYSICAL

For educational and scientific research purposes, here is a little big of insight for the public readers.

Ectoplasmic Metamorphosis on a Physical Level of the Twin Soul.

It really does seem, in many cases of real twin soul situations, that the Merging does not only take place in a spiritual sense, but also in the consciousness, physical reality and much more.

We will keep you updated on our further Twin Soul Research and welcome any feedback or your own personal stories anytime.

Michael Jackson-Dangerous Album Era

Michael Jackson: The Masculine Side of the Twin Soul

Susan Elsa: Summer 2012

Susan Elsa: The Feminine Side of the Twin Soul

Michael 1980’s

Comparing Physical Features and Individual Expression

Michael Jackson Face CLOSE UP

Two Beings- ONE SOUL

Susan Elsa in Egypt

Susan Elsa. 2 Years after Egypt Pictures

The weirdest Science Phenomenon ever documented?

Susan Eyes Close Up

Eyes are the Windows to the Soul/World

As Inside so it is Outside. As above so it is below.

Michael Eyes Close Up

Michael Jackson & Susan Elsa: ONE LOVE  –  April 14th 2010

Michael Jackson: Mirror Side Cheek Mole of Susan Elsa’s Cheek Mole

Susan Elsa Sunlight Face

Stay tuned for future Updates on our Research!

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TWIN SOULS-FLAMES & PHYSICAL SIMILARITY ©

Insight Update Twin Soul Metamorphosis with Michael Jackson:

Susan Elsa (left Image) and Michael Jackson (right Image): Real provable Twin Soul Metamorphose- 2 become 1 ©

 

Susan Elsa TV INTERVIEW 2009 (ABC TV)- Out of Body Experiences

Susan Elsa TV INTERVIEW 2009 (ABC TV)- Out of Body Experiences

 Dear World

This Link below goes directly to the official Website of ABC TV Australia and Susan’s Interview with their famous Science Show “Catalyst” about Out-of-Body Experiences

Susan Elsa TV INTERVIEW 2009- ABC TV Australia’s “Catalyst” Science Show

Interview filmed:                          November 2009
Interview aired on ABC TV:        February 2010

                                           Unique Spiritual Twin Soul Pop Art by Susan Elsa  ©

Narration
Switzerland has a proud scientific history. It boasts the largest number of Noble Prizes in the world, per head of population…Albert Einstein did his PhD here in Zurich. But I’ve come to find out about…out-of-body experiences!

 –Graham Philips, Host of ABC TV’s Catalyst Science Show-

In a personal Interview at the beginning with Camera’s off, deciding what is going to be filmed of Susan’s unique experiences, she told Mr. Graham Philips and the Filming Crew about her premonitions and dreams she had of future events. To be specific, she claimed to have dreamed exact details of Michael Jackson’s nearing death!

Original Link:  http://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/stories/2816872.htm

For Educational Purposes only and scientific research and discussions, here are the original comments from viewers of the TV Show aired:   (Courtesy of ABC TV Australia and CATALYST)

Text Copy from:   http://www.abc.net.au

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Geraldine – 21 Oct 2011 10:56:07pm

I’ve learned how to have OBEs thru concentration. It is just a matter of learning how to fall asleep while staying conscious of the sleep process. But I could not tell if it was my imagination or if it was real until I was able to prove it to myself. One time while out of my body, I went into the living room where my parents were staying and examined in details what it is they were doing. My dad was sitting at a desk working on his computer, and I was astonished at the clothes he was wearing, as these were clothes I thought had been thrown away a long time ago. (I’m 33 yo – I had not seen the clothes he was wearing since the age of 12 or so..!). I then looked at my mother, and lo and behold, while I saw her physical body asleep, I also saw her “astral” body. She was talking to whatever her mind was projecting in front of her. Her astral body did not interest me much. I was more looking at her physical body, as I wanted to be able to recall exactly how she was. She had her arm in a funny position, almost un-natural, and her hair was sticking out at an angle, and the blanket was stuck under her chin. I looked again at my dad, exactly how he was, looked one more time at my mom’s astral body, and floated back inside my body. Once back in the physical, I was excited but also scared to open the door to my living room. Not knowing what I would find on the other side. As I walked in, my dad turned to me, WEARING THE CLOTHES I had seen him wear in the astral. I was absolutely speechless. He was at the desk, working on his computer.. In the exact same position. He only said, shhh – your mum is sleeping, do not make any noise. I turned to the other side of the living room, only to find my mom with HER ARM in that SAME awkward position, HER HAIR sticking out exactly as I had seen it, and the blanket under her chin. Of course, I could not see her astral body, but I knew where it was..
Now, this is my story. I know it to be true because I have experienced it. It does not matter to me if people believe me or not, I know it to be true.

Out-of-body experiences ARE REAL. But to know it, you must have one, and then be able to prove it to yourself.

I would never try to prove it to someone else. Because I could not – no matter what I say I saw, people would try to explain it so that they don’t have to face the fact that there is so much that we don’t know.

I am a scientist – molecular biology. And everything I study, everything I see is a proof to me of intelligent design.

In ancient times, the scientists were some types of priests because they understood that to understand Life, we also need to understand the spiritual.

Nowadays, scientists feel they must be atheists to be good at what they do.. Not realizing how much more they miss by discarding the spiritual side of life: such as intuition (how many discoveries happened because of that!?! And how do you explain intuition if not by explaining we

Karim – 21 Oct 2011 12:28:12am

Contrary to what is believed today I think there is much more than just this physical world. Anyone who’s had a real out of body experience will have felt that it is not something that just happens in the mind. With the right techniques this is something you can verify yourself. The scientists in this video are playing tricks on the physical brain and theorize that this must be what Out of body experiences are, but they’re not.
I would advise everyone who is interested in this to research this for yourself, through practice.

Mark Caesar – 28 Oct 2010 7:59:18pm

I had a motorcycle accident years ago and suffered a Brachial Plexus injury to my (R)arm and suffer quite badly from phantom pain.
I have seen documented and demonstrated that a mirror box with your good hand mirrored in place of your bad hand can be a total but temporary relief for the phantom pain and in fact give you the sensation of movement in your bad hand.
This research explains that phenomenon to me more than I have ever seen it explained.
I think that as a spin off to the research that is being done the scientists ought to keep this phenomenon in mind in relation to nerve damaged patients.

 

LORRAINE – 01 Sep 2010 8:27:56am

iF YOU DO NOT LEAVE THE BODY WHY DO YOU SEE EVERYTHING AS A PLANE VIEW? IF IT IS A ILLUSION WHERE DOES THE PLANE VIEW COMES FROM (BECAUSE IT IS NOT WHAT YOU ARE SEEING IN REAL BODY’S POSITION)

 

Al Sation – 18 Jun 2010 2:24:05am

Great … psychology squeezing the very last specks of magic from the world.

Shame they are not researching something more important like MS or Parkinsons or alzheimer’s! Waste of space.

 

Anna H – 20 Mar 2010 11:17:23am

All these so-called out-of-body experiments show is that the brain can be induced to misinterpret sensory input.
Having had an out-of-body experience- it seems to me quite different-I didn’t feel my body, just watched it from above.

 

Jake – 23 Feb 2010 1:39:53pm

When a scientist replicates a spiritual experience using science they automatically believe that it disproves the spirtual experience. – see James Randi.
It doesn’t.
They have just proved they can replicate it but haven’t actually disproved anything!

David – 22 Feb 2010 11:23:03pm

Whilst this report on OBE’s might have given a possible explanation for some types of so called “out-of-body experiences” in my opinion and experience there is far more to it as one guest suggested.

There is a whole spiritual side to it which science cannot measure because the only things science can measure and observe is physical external things. Whereas the key to fundamentally understanding obe’s is through practice of an internal science.

Every human being has an obe every time their physical body falls asleep. Usually though we are completely unaware of the process, we go through it unconsciously and have unconscious dreams instead of seeing where we really are. Scientists studying someone having an obe will only see someone who is asleep, they cannot know what is happening internally.

However it is possible to train ourselves to fall asleep consciously and be aware of the whole process. I and many others have done this and experienced it many times. You know through having the experience yourself that it is not a mere illusion. Any scientist that wants to study obe’s should do so through experiencing it themselves. There are courses and books available that teach how to do it.

The dimensions of space and time are known to science. Science also postulates in quantum physics the likelyhood of there being a fifth dimension due to the way that some sub-atomic particles behave, they appear to be operating under different laws of physics. It is this fifth dimension where obes and near death experiences take place. It is also the same place we go to everynight when we fall asleep and dream or if you are doing it consciously it is also refered to as astral projection or astral travel which is just another way of saying out-of-body experience.

Have you ever been lying in bed thinking whilst waiting to fall asleep and then all of a sudden you get a short but intense falling feeling and your body jolts? That is your astral body entering back into the physical body. The moment before you (your consciousness) were in the astral plane with your physical body asleep but you didn’t realise it.

Obes are natural and safe, we do it every night already except unconsciously, but it is far better to be conscious of what is going on. Then we can use it to our advantage and that is really what it is for. It is a tool for our spiritual evolution which I think is an essential part of human evolution but scientists don’t get anywhere near knowing it unless they practice it for themselves.

Audentous – 01 Mar 2010 1:06:01pm

Ahh, but scientists can prove that it is an entirely mental process through one simple experiment… people claiming to have an out of body experience have never been able to tell researchers what was on a high shelf in the very same room afterwards.

Besides that, every single symptom and physical effect can be explained and replicated through various processes, as well as the experience on the whole.

If your claim is based purely on this “other dimension” that you speak of (which is NOT the extra dimensions that quantum physics refers to… though, some knowledge of quantum physics is necessary to realize why that’s obvious)

Now, there is wiggling room in the claim that this process is spiritual in a sense that cannot be in any way measure through experiment. In that case, however, that means that there cannot be any evidence of it… especially since all of the symptoms of it can be replicated and explained through entirely physical means.

In that case, the burden of proof lies of the people making the claim. That is, if I claim there is a magic teapot that grants wishes in orbit around jupiter, but it cannot be observed through any physical means (except that I KNOW it’s there)… you are in no way expected to believe that teapot is there. So… you claim there is some sort of special, spiritual component to this physical phenomenon, yet you have absolutely no evidence to support your claim except that you KNOW it to be so.

Therefore, don’t be surprised when people tell you to take your crackpot teapot ideas somewhere else.

Shazingle – 10 May 2010 10:58:31pm

uh, i think David was implying that if someone told you about this magical teapot, your best bet is to find a method of proving or disproving for yourself such as is in the suggestion that scientists interested in OBEs actually learn to experience them and study that experience, rather than studying others who, quite rightly pointed out, only appear to be sleeping.

If you told me about this wish granting magic teapot in orbit around Jupiter and it really was something of interest to me, I would sincerely ask you for some method in which I could verify that rather than relying on the claim that “if I can’t see it, it does not exist”. If, however, I were not interested in such a teapot then that claim would suffice to end such discussion. If ending the debate on the existence of magical teapots were my primary interest then I would not only rely on that claim, but I would throw every method of scientific investigation known to me at the postulation of the existence of this teapot in order to achieve my goal of ending the debate.

In this case David states there is a method for science to legitimately study OBEs, yet all I see in this show is the attempt to discredit the experience via a scientific method, which incidentally begins with the hypothesis that OBEs are tricks of the brain resulting in a realistic illusion, therefore condemning the subject to closure before a thorough investigation has even taken place.

If someone told me of a magical teapot I might be more inclined to ask “how do you know this? how can I get one? what must I do?” rather than tell the person to go walking.

After all, a wish granted is a pretty wonderful thing and if someone stated you could have that all the time, would you not be at least a little inclined to inquire?

Ross W – 18 Feb 2010 7:57:51pm

Has intersting impliccations for training a robot to be a replicon (simulon) of a human, becuase it implies that a human can learn to be empathetic to his/her replicon.

 

JJ Captain – 16 Feb 2010 11:11:33am

Really enjoyed the show. I began having OBE at about 15 and could call them up almost at will. First, it was only in a particular chair as the family was watching TV. After that I began to experiment and found it could clear my mind and focus in a particular way to begin the experience. As I got older I began to ‘refuse’ to allow myself to ‘go there’.

But, I’ve just had a try, and it still works.

Keith Price – 13 Feb 2010 7:43:23pm

Thank you for the interesting segment on OBEs. I have a couple of comments to make on the assumptions that Dr Phillips appears to be making about these. First, he appears to suggest that there is no question of a truly scientific explanation having recourse to anything like non-physical souls. I hate to be contrary, but I would like to suggest that this is not so – if the data takes us strongly enough in that direction, souls it is! We are otherwise being dogmatic materialists, and very unscientific. Secondly, there is no mention that there have been numerous careful parapsychological studies done on OBEs which have shown that people frequently learn facts during an OBE that would be very difficult or impossible for then to know on the assumption that it is a pure hallucination. This awkward fact would tend to make it hard to argue that all OBEs are just the brain tricking us! Susan is right to defend her experience – nothing a brain researcher can show us can explain our experience away!

Steve Spangaro – 16 Feb 2010 2:36:44pm

Agreed Keith (while parking any semantics to be had around the term ‘soul’). The fascinating story did a fine job albeit incomplete due to the gaping blind spot you’ve identified.

As covered in an ABC ‘Catalyst’ episode some years ago, there is strong anecdotal evidence that 3rd person perspective inputs (such as seeing what precise tools a surgeon is using in the operating theatre) can form a component of a subject’s near death visualisations. The Catalyst program went on to report a hypothesis based on quantum theory… It might be that the scientifically elusive ‘self’ is formed in some way by quantum computational stuff that in the way of things quantum can have an ambiguous location a la the Heisenberg Principle (being the very same phenomena by which lasers have been successfully teleported in the lab).

Dr Sam Parnia at the University of Southampton is currently conducting a verifiable study of ‘what is being seen’ during near death experiences. Perhaps the results due in 2011 will be worth Catalyst’s attention in the name of a more thorough reporting.

gary askwith – 12 Feb 2010 2:13:51pm

I enjoyed the episode in which you were able to enlighten us into scientific explanations of OBE experiences,

which I saw on the Catalyst Program.

I have been having OBE’s for many years, the first being in 1989.

I fully understand that when I have tactile hallucinations that my physical body is actually in motion,

creating the ‘illusion’ that the movement is actually taking place in my out of body.

It was great to see this confirmed with your research!

I am hoping you may be able to enlighten me on two things.

The first, whilst bizarre, may have the simplest explanation, and the second is a little more complex.

1/

Toward the end of one OBE I experienced last year I found myself, seemingly prematurely, awaken from the experience.

I was not sure if I was back in my body, because I was conscious, my eyes were open, I couldn’t move my head,

but I could see clearly around my room.

I felt paralysed, except for my arms, and being able to have eye movement. 

(incidentally, a nuerologist diagnosed me in 1990 as having sleep paralysis)

To assure myself that my OBE had finished I waved my arms in front of my face.

I was in absolute shock to experience that whilst I was waving my arms in front of my face, I could not see them,

yet everything alse was clear. I repeated this about 3 times to no avail.

I felt I was in limbo, experiencing a kind of death.

I panicked, and closed my eyes and tried to relax, and eventually was back to normal.

It was a frightening experience like I had no arms, and the waving were from phantom limbs.
What explanation could you subscribe to this?
2/
Secondly, on a number of occassions I have experienced an OBE without leaving my body.
My functioning ‘out of body’, is still within my body.
The above (1) is perhaps some type of example of this. Similar, however, not the same.
In these instances I recieve an incredible energy from within my brain, that is transferred to my hands.

My hands feel an incredibly amount of what seems powerful magnetic energy.
In these circumstances I am able to manoevere my hands ‘out of body hands’ (my actual hands are motionless)

Using my discretion I move them about one inch above my skin to a position which I gain most control.

Kind of like using the controls of a Transcutaneous Electrical Nerve Stimulator (T.E.N.S unit)

If I move them too fast, they become painful, and if they are too close to the skin, they lose energy.

I then manoevere them over my body and the magnetic energy seems optimum.
I have on the odd occass

 

Sean Chiddy – 19 Feb 2010 11:51:48am

The ‘out of body’ perception in trauma is used within healing meditation processes (similar to Mindfulness meditation but with different emphasis).

Patiently focussing on the ‘out of body image’ and using your sensory awarenesss to explore the panic and other emotional and sensory reactions will allow them to settle in many cases. Then the conscious awareness seems to be able to reorganise and can be perceived to move back into the body (so you look out of your own eyes).

This way of meditatively processing the event can result in experiencing a sense of release or ‘healing’. People tend to then feel significantly better about the incident. Negative symptoms associated with the experience will tend to dissapate.

GerryC – 11 Dec 2011 9:07:15am

Can I remind readers that personal anecdotes do not constitute evidence of OBEs. Otherwise my magical OBE sandals would be worth millions on ebay.